As I found out later on, it wasn't his material at all that was getting me the success with women, it was something else, and that something is what I've developed over the years.Thundercat's Seduction Lair: February 2004 Mln the next part of the interview, Swinggcat talks about his first taste of life outside of Speed Seduction, and how he began to develop his own model of seduction.Well, what happened was, these guys, as soon as they got home, posted to the SS List: "I'd been studying this stuff all these years, and thought it was fake. And there's this guy, Swinggcat, who can make out with girls within 5 minutes using these very sophisticated techniques." Well, within about 10 minutes of them putting this post up on the SS List, I get a private e-mail from Ross saying "Don't post what you did, I need to meet up with you immediately." So we made plans to meet up, and I gotta be honest with you, I was excited to meet up with him.
And he wrote me this angry e-mail back, you know, accused me of being a sociopath because I flaked, you know. So anyways, he was outside, he saw some girl out there, he started chatting her up, I come outside, and he tries to get me to talk to her.
And we met up, and I sort of remember when I met up I showed up late, because that's my trademark, I'm notoriously late. Thundercat: So you had his stamp of approval at that point?
And I showed up about an hour late at Boarders, because that's where I'm supposed to meet them, and no one was there. IN10SE came up to me and he's like "Swinggcat, the guru is very mad at you." And so I thought this was a joke, or whatever, so we walked over to Barnes and Noble, which is where the others were now waiting, and Ross gave me this dirty look. Swinggcat: I had his stamp of approval, and at that point, he started building me up on the list as being this kind-of "super" SSer.
And Ross met me, and I think when he first met me he was a bit surprised because I looked normal. in terms of timeframe I think this was 2001, that's when I first started hanging out with Ross. I don't consider myself on par with people like Steve Piccus, or Mike Du Bay, but I'm pretty good and I can put these girls into trances.
You know, I had both eyeballs and I wasn't missing any teeth. How it started that Ross Jeffries took notice of me is, when I moved down to LA from college, I had kind-of taken over the Southern California Seduction Lair.